David @ IAMTatttoos...SUCKS!!!

Hey...I just wanted any and everybody to know... I AM TATTOOS SUCK! DO NOT SUPPORT THESE CLOWNS! I dont know how he keeps clients? I was TOO an idiot at one time and has let this man take his and advantage and talk to me for hours on end....WHILE CHARGING 160 an hour! Visit his website www.Iamtattoos.com notice he does pretty good work. In fact, its very clean. BUT $160 an hour...to try an talk to you and get in your head?? WHo does he think he is...Ed Hardy? I can tell you, he is certianly not. But also notice when you visit his website, all that mysticism crap thats involved with getting a tattoo from him. THATS THE ONLY CUTOMERS HE KEEPS...the ones who like myself at one time, DONT KNOW BETTER! His gimmick (and trust me folks, it is a gimmick) is that he draws ideas out of you, also saying that he wont put it on your body until yall have came to some cosimc, mutual understanding....... THIS IS BULLSHIT! He draws EVERYTHING up for you on the spot, you cant ask him to work on a drawing for a week or so. He is worse than a Hollywood style tattooer.....because he reaps all the benefits....yet he isnt even Hollywood. I mean...I used to try and send people to this guy. And I knew he was weird....not because of his physical appearance or anything...nobody here is typical....its soley his attitude/disposition. I knew he was drama related...I just thought as long as I watch what say, take it easy, and dont get too political in any manner around him, we'll have a good relationship. Well needless to say....HE fliped the script on me. Not to mention he has a drug habit (used to be big into speed, now its just weed...but he has to take breaks ever 40 minutes or so to go hit the bong) Boycot this guy and his shop, they are freaking jealous tattooers. If you come into their shop rocking professional work by good artists, and he is tattooing you.....then expect to be cursed out for no reason. He will tell you he is no longer interested in working on your body, and that they are shit tattoos, and if you would have payed top dollar they could have been done right by him......even if the tattoo is by Don Hardy! THIS GUY IS NOT A "GREAT"......even the greats dont act so flakey. WATCH OUT FOLKS...he tries to get into your head...literally. I AM TATTOOS? ...no HE IS A DISCRASE TO THE TATTOO COMMUNITY. Or you can go pay $160 to sit and get drawn on, while you figure out why he is "I AM"...... The guys who work for him are pretty uneducated and just tattoos a bad name as well. Be careful folks. Im sorry for any misinformation I put out there...I will never recommend this guy to anybody but my enemies.

Sorry yall...I just had to vent that out. I guess some people just dont click, its kinda like animal instict. Me and him never clicked... Although he did some okay work for me, nothing spectacular, he also was in the process of finishing a half sleeve that I was going to go to full sleeve. Now its uncompleted....and instead of messing with it...Ima have it lasered off. See...I had 2 peices on my left arm, a old warrior which wasnt shit work, just not freaking great, and an unfinished skull that rocks started by an incredible artist on the west coast. He put a whole bunch of flames around the warrior, did a cool job....it looked a whole lot better, and I was going to get him to add some flesh tones into the warrior, and finish the skull and bring it all together. He said he didnt want to work on the warrior one night, so I was pretty dumbfounded (I drive 1 hour and 30 mins to get worked on) as to what I wanted, and told him to throw a saying on my back. Granted...it was done right, and clean, not as (gangster style) as I would like it, but cool none the less (not to mention its a 3 session tattoo, I think we ended up with 6 sessions) Its definitely a cool peice...I kinda of wish I never got it cause I could go with a full traditional backpeice in the future...but...thats tattoos...if you wanted it then, you better want it now, and its definitely worth working around. So I go get some more work done by other artists, you know...travel and seek out the right guys... And the last time I get my back peice worked on, I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY ASKING THIS JERK did he mind doing some more to my arm?? (he is such a jerk, you have to ASK him shit like this) He says no.....So I make an appointment for 3 weeks in advance I get off work, come home, rush 1 hour and 30 minutes away to his shop.....and meet a new guy working there. The new guy is a pretty cool dude, and he wants to see my work, so he is asking about the other work and stuff..... Then suddenly, the guy David comes out, and starts basically being a DICK! Talking about that this is his shop, Im showing off tattoos...fuck this, fuck that...blah blah blah...I got shit piss poor work done by half ass artists, and if I would have payed his top dollar rate I could have got it done right, but since I didnt Im stupid and says this will be the last time tattooing me tonight, and that if he does tattoo me, he is gonna do it half ass....fuck this fuck that, get out my shop, carry your shit else where, Im a better artist than those guys, Im levels above them....... I MEAN IVE SPENT OVER $$$$ fucking with this guy, and its all burned up just cause another guy ASKED to see my work and ASKED where I got it and my opinions. If competition is that painful and harmful to his busness....then fuck man....I mean I've worked in family busness and we had some competition who we have history with...AND WE STILL ACT CORDIAL.... What gives the right for tattoo guys to act like this? All busness is the same... I would have hit his dumb ass...But...Im more civil than that...plus I dont want no police on my shit. This dude is really a peice of work. All I can say is, if you can stomach paying that much, and thinking there is some mysticism to good artwork......then you might get some cool work. BUT....art is art....some of the best artist say that after tattooing for a really long time...they once had an ego, but not realize they are the workhorse...and that the client always is right and deserves to get the best of what they want...whether its a butterfly, or horiyoshi style sleeve. So what seperates this guy? A-S-S-H-O-L-E

jesus pissing in the wind here talk about a ventation of anger! wow! well im sorry ya went through all that rigaramor and stuff.some artist are just different in there ways,its just a fact that some of us are just different.but i agree with ya the rudeness should have been dealt with in a better manner sounds like he is suffering from 2 things here 1 being what we call pre madonna and 2nd being god complex.as far as the shop rate well thats his call everyone is different.and if he truly is smoking the bud i dont have a problem with that BUT what i do have a prob with is the fact its at his shop and hes doing it while he tattoos.i do not and will not tolerate drugs of anykind in any shop i work in.if the owner says hey lets go torch a doobie and im on duty nope no thankyou it aint going to happen.now after hours well thats your time do what you will as long as it does not reflect badly upon the shop.good luck on finding a artist you can work with i could tell ya some stories of a artist i worked with that would just make ya shake your head in disgust anger and confusion but im not going there.again best of luck to your search

I bet this post wont last long.. sounds like slander to me.. i dont know who your talking about but you cant call people out like that.. hope your rash clears up.

Sorry guys if I made a bad impression on the forums. Anybody who has followed the little bit of posting I did on this site, I RECENTLY recommended a guy to hime who posted up here asking about a Jimi Hendrix portrait. I was just at a Christmas party the other day recommended people to him. I can assure you that none of this is slander...and if you wanna go find out for yourself, be my guest, in fact, become best friends. Justify why there is some mysticism to good tattoos. I hate to go from polar opposites with the guy, and granted it is his shop and therefore he can kick jerks out. But...Ive always been very mannerly with this guy, watched my words close, and tried to absorb information if anything. Most of the time, if you go in another shop and somebody asks you about the tattoos you got, the other artist might say something like "hey thats a really cool peice...who did that?" But everybody is entitled to be a jerk in their own rented space....... The only reason I posted this whole rant, was because I felt bad for recommending people to him. Honest good folks who want a good looking clean tattoo, and dont want to have to end up paying well over a $1000 for a $400 tattoo. At the end of all this....I still try to be friendly, I guarentee I wont piss none of you guys off in real life...nor am I a 15 year old. And I could go into you guys shop without being offensive or getting kicked out. The way I look at it....NO MAN...reguardless of who he is, gets away with putting me down like he did. So instead of ending up in jail, I just came home, tried to rationlize it, and put it into words. Elrich is right as well....I didnt mean to hit him with a low shot like..."he smokes bud!!".....man I used to blaze tons of bud, and was able to still be productive. But he habbits really get in the way of his work...THATS when it becomes a problem. he specifically told me, that if he doesnt smoke bud often, he ends up wanting to slap the shit out out of people and spazing on them. Thats okay...if you can justify all this mess....be my guest...he might cut you a break and give you the best tattoo for $100.....but in the end...Im not going through it. Peace.

Quote: "Justify why there is some mysticism to good tattoos." Because tattoos are symbols, that at their best, convey a message to as many people as possible about you. An idea which effects that many people is called an "archetype". So, an indepth knowledge of symbolism is very important. Just changing a color from green to blue changes a great deal in how the image will be subconsciously interpreted. There is a reason the grocery store paints their shelves a certain color. Someone who understands such things can make a symbol far more powerful than someone who just throws this and that together. Not saying the guy isn't an asshat, but I thought I'd answer your question.

Archetype....hmmm... I believe that was a little out of context, but, I see where your going with that. Are you saying that tattoos are completely symbolic and at one time or another represented things about the people who wear them? I wouldnt argue with you there. Also I believe your saying the way different patterns and colors are interpreted can greatly change ones perspective on anything thats presentable through sight. I would also agree with you. But....I still ask, is there anything mystical about that? I guess you can MAKE it, if you really want to. For example, you can make staring at the stars a mystical and magical arrangement of unviversal alignment. Or, you can stare at the stars. I believe your on the right path when you say an artist needs to have in depth knowledge about symbolism. The intepretation of symbols has played a big role in religion and psycoanalysis. Meaning that, within us it may trigger certain "mystical" feelings. BUT...with all this mumbo jumbo being said, I do want to point out, meanings change throughout life. What may be "mystical" today, may not be mystical 2 years from now. And so....if tattooing was like palm reading, the tattooer would be allowed to seek your inner most, everlasting impressions and tattoo them. But since it isnt, if somebody wants to get a tattoo of a computer screen....they can. The smart tattoo artist would take this information, and try to use it to their advantage, without making it a gimmick. They would try to balance their gauge of the person (because sometimes your gague maybe inaccurate) with what the person actually wants. Point being said....dont take tattooing too seriously. Its only mystical if you want it to be. Peace

Symantics....jeezub! Mysticism, science, religion...whatever...it's all the same. Science is nothing more than having FAITH in what you are seeing. "Mystical" can be something spiritual...or it can simply mean, "that which the conscious does not percieve." or "THat which is not known by the vulgar (uninitiated)." Every tattoo you do is a symbol that is picked up in one way or another by the eye, and then in a way by the mind. If you show a picture of a tiger to 100000000 people, they will all see a tiger with their eye, and the symbolic meaning will be nearly the same to each one of them, also. Ask them to write two descriptive words, and most will choose the same two words. This information is being used more and more, in everyday society, especially in marketing and corrupt politics, but it has not yet been established as a true science, although it is indeed a true science. Therefore, it is what is known as "occult knowledge"...known by those who are initiated. So, call it what you want...occult, mysticism, alchemy, whatever...that doesn't alter the facts. It changes nothing. Red will not invoke the same reaction as blue. Green will not invoke the same reaction as gold. A tiger will not invoke the same reaction as a goldfish. That is why someone chooses one or the other, specifically....and they don't usually even realize WHY that image is attractive to them...which is where the term "Mysticism" is used accurately. It goes beyond the conscious. Therefore, as I stated before, having knowledge of these things is an important tool, regardless of what you want to call it. If you want to use the proper term, call it Esoteric psychology....but the average moron won't know what that means. Call it mysticism, and they'll slap the money on the counter.

Yo man...you hit the nail on the head with that one. No argument there. There is indeed a science to it. Im not sure if the guy I was referring to understands all of this, but even if he does, I still do not believe it should be used a part of a gimmick. If this science we refer to is a skill possesed by the artist, I honestly believe it makes for a better artist. But dont market this skill, because then it almost becomes like a cheesey kung fu class that claims to make you a better fighter by using "chi power". I asked my Wing Chun teacher (directly part of the better half of Yip Mans personal family, friends and classmates of Bruce Lee) if chi exsisted, and told me......"sure, I will harness my chi, then you hit me in the stomach". When I hit him in the stomach he made a grunt sound and said "owww....my chi is rusty". We both laughed because he was saying there is nothing to it. The best fighters in the world dont possess it, and if they believe they do, then they do. If you believe there is something magical to love making, then make love, if you think having sex is like a sport, then have sex for the sport of it. I really think its based on ones perception, and in any event, mysticism has no place in modern tattooing. Thats just my opinion. In his case, it is a gimmick because: A gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. Product gimmicks are sometimes considered mere novelties, and not really that relevant to the product's functioning, even earning negative connotations You made a lot of good points though.

I'm not seeing why this is so difficult to grasp. Yes, "gimmicks" in some products are unnecessary ways to sell crap. In tattooing, a deep understanding of symbolism is NOT A GIMMICK because TATTOOS ARE NOTHING BUT SYMBOLS. How is knowing the proper formula for constructing a proper symbol a GIMMICK??? Understanding how to construct a proper symbol is EVERYTHING TATTOOING IS ABOUT. All the style in the world will not get the point across if the construction of the symbol is incorrect. It will never invoke the same response as a symbol that is well thought out by someone who understands how. Simple shit...if you want to convey the idea of POWER do you get a symbol of a snail? No. If you want to convey the idea of COMPASSION AND LOVE, do you get a skull and dagger? No. The symbolism is EVERYTHING, and everything is a symbol...even these words are symbols meant to convey a thought. The difference is, anyone who can speak and read English can understand these words. Should he claim to be a mystic? Should he claim to be a scientist? Should he claim to be an artist? WHO CARES??? THEY ALL MEAN THE SAME EXACT THING! If that's his trip, then, so be it. No matter what his trip is, SOMEONE WILL NOT LIKE IT. Welcome to the real world. Historically, tattooing has ALWAYS been part of spiritual ritual and mysticism...that is why every other culture IN THE WORLD does it. How can you say the most ancient and sacred aspect of the entire artform is a GIMMICK??

In other words...it is not his responsibility to pretend that aspect of it doesn't exist just because others do not understand or wish to acknowledge it. It truely exists...whether you like it or not. So, if you would rather go to someone who knows nothing about it, or feels the need to pretend it isn't a part of it, then do so, if that floats your boat. There are PLENTY who do not understand it....and you can see than in their work.

Its funny man, because I was actually agreeing with you. I will say though, I do not like it when you go on your "welcome to the real world" bullish....because every second spent living on this planet is in the "real world". Ego Trip?....maybe you should work at his shop. Now about what your saying being difficult to grasp.....HOMIE, there is nothing difficult about what your saying at all. In fact, I think your just making a mountain out of a molehill. What is this crap about not understanding or wishing to acknowledge it? Dude, if I have particpated in the conversation this far, I can assure you Im on the same plane as you. My answers in the last paragraph still respond to the two paragraphs you just typed. Whats so freaking revolutionary about this?: " If your a Christian, then you wouldnt get a pentogram, and if your a Pagean, you wouldnt get a cross." That sounds like your example of why mysticism is involved in the advertisment of tattoos. Historically, EVERYTHING has been part of spritiual rituals and mysticism, including Christmas. That doesnt mean I have to tap into it in order to produce a good Christmas...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! One minute your using the word science, next your using mysticism. These two arent polar opposites, but didnt co-exsist historically. So which is it?....science...or mysticism? I agreed there is some science to it. Meaning that its a field of study and there is knowledge gained from it. I hate to break the news to you, but we live in a secular world now-a-days, where as we used to live in a religion based world. Everything was "spiritual rituals" (including your freaking symbols), now there is a scientific method to most things. Where things are explained in nature without assuming the exsistence or non exsistence of the supernatural. Mysticism, in contrast with philosophy and metaphysics, denies that logic is the most important method of gaining enlightenment. IN LAYMANS....YOU CAN USE JUST LOGIC TO PRODUCE A GOOD TATTOO. Sorry...I dont need to travel around the universe and back just to realize that I want a samuri on my arm. Really man, I urge you to go tattoo with him. Eat a quarter of mushrooms, charge $500 an hour and only take one appointment a day, then sit and stare at the skin for hours until it speaks to you. peace.

Quote: One minute your using the word science, next your using mysticism. These two arent polar opposites, but didnt co-exsist historically. So which is it?....science...or mysticism? That's the point I am argueing that you are NOT getting. Science and mysticism are indeed one in the EXACT SAME. 1. Every science we know of today...medicine, astronomy, astrology, physics, chemistry, etc. was at one time considered to be occult knowledge or mysticism. Once these things were understood by the masses, they became known as science. Still certain theories within each of these "sciences" are not widely accepted, and are considered "Mysticism". The people who were pioneers in this, or had more knowledge of it were referred to as Mystics, shaman, witches, etc....now they could be called scientists...merely because of the popularity of the theories being used. Go back in time 200 years and pull out a bic lighter. Something that today is accepted as BASIC science would be considered witchcraft or mysticism just 200 years ago. So the ONLY thing that seperates mysticism and science is time and popularity of theory. 2. Science, itself is a religion. It is the belief that what we see is real. We can scientifically study the back of your hand...make all sorts of observations about it...yet we cannot prove that it even exists. That aspect is faith based and always will be. Any good scientist will tell you that science proves NOTHING. Therefore, regardless of how much a theory is accepted by the masses as being science, it necessarily maintains that spiritual belief that what we see is real. Science and mysticism have indeed co-existed historically, in that and other ways. Since the effects of symbolism on humans is not an exact science, yet is accepted as being a sound theory, and is used by select few to manipulate others, it can be considered science or occult. Carl Jung, the famous psychologist who devoted much of his life to the topic would agree. He was very much into both, and recognized they were one in the same.

Your WAY off.... It is commonly thought that understanding of mind, life, consciousness etc belonged to that vague discipline called "Mysticism" or religion and that science cannot, or should not try to deal with them. Layfolks often defend Mystics Theologians by saying "You cannot judge their approach to truth as wrong using logic or science". Laymen, mystics and theologians also feel that questions of life, consciousness etc should be handed over to mystical philosophers, spiritualists and, theologians, not scientists. Nothing could be further from the truth. By their aversion to materialistic pursuits and adhering to ascetic life style, the "mystics" may seem to create an aura of wisdom and superior cognitive power. This is not to question the sincerity of ALL the mystics, many do have the genuine yearning to grasp the meaning of the ultimate, but to question the means they are adopting and more importantly their claim (or putative claim by their defendors) to having the most priviledged, if not the sole access to the ultimate reality and their disdain for scientific methodology. Some may not disdain scientific methods but still belittle science by calling it just "another way" among many in the the effort to learn about reality. By implication they view scientific way as no better than any other way, mystical, religious etc. It is a serious mistake to equate the objective methods of science with just any other subjective belief systems. If someone claims to experience a very personal feeling of higher state of consciousness (in whatever subjective sense), or a sense of heightened illumination about some transcendent reality, that is perfectly acceptable as long as he/she characterizes it as such (i.e subjective). But when these experiences are attempted to formalize and made into an "ism" such as "mysticism" or when such personal subjective experiences are defended by others as equally "real", "objective", "true" like science, that is going a bit too far. "Divine" experience, if such existed, cannot be obtained through a prescribed set of regimens which when followed will yield that privileged experience to any individual. If that was the case it would become a routine mechanical method for anyone to attain ultimate insight and thus would be amenable to a scientific analysis and would be integrated with mainstream science. Such a prescribed regimen for any Moe/Joe to follow by "joining" the exclusive mystical school in order to experience the same personal subjective senses of illumination, ceases to be of any spiritual or transcendental nature. A divine experience or truth (about a transcendent world or entoty), IF it exists at all, cannot be acquired through pure procedural regimen. Truth about nature (non-transcendental,phemomena), on the other hand, may possibly be obtained in an epiphanic flash like it came to Einstein (Any such about nature, i.e a platonic truth, can be viewed as divine/religious in a sense, since that truth is not the creation of human mind, but a discovery), who out of pure metaphysical intuition grasped the truth that the space time we live in is curved (This concept has a precise objective meaning that can be shared with others, which no mystical "truths" possess). His insight is an enlightenment about objective reality and is not tangible through ordinary intuition but is amenable to the objective language of mathematics and physics, and to empirical observations of a very high sophistication. That's how his metaphysical insight was elevated to a universal truth. A divine "feeling" of enlightenment on the other hand cannot be translated into an expression capable of objective communication and so has to be solipsistic. Any belief in such amounts to a belief in testimony. Moreover a pure procedural regimen to stimulate such feeling will necessarily imply a non divine nature of the same, because the outcome of a mechanical procedure is necessarily a phenomenon, not a noumenon. Any attempt by mystics to elevate a personal subjective "feeling" of spiritual enlightenment and call it a universal truth and prescribing some regimen for others to experience the same would be disingenuous. It is true that through meditation and other induced means brain can go into an altered state which can produce a feeling or sense of enligtenment, joy, fulfilment, unity etc. That in itself does not imply that a contact with a transcendent entity/truth has been established, although any individual may justifiably believe it to be so in their own mind. At the end of the day it is really to each his own. Anyone can "subjectively" claim to have grasped the ultimate mystery of life. It is quite possible that mystics, meditators etc may experience some subjective feeling of enlightenment/vision/hallucinations etc, (Aviators when subjected to severe and sudden change of motions causing substantial oxygen deprivation to the brain also report similar psychedelic experiences, sort of induced effect of mystical mediation. In fact Harvard researchers have concluded that the experience of mystical meditation is indistinguishable from altered brain states induced by certain drugs. So for the mystics, theologists laymen to go one step further and assert that they have gained access to the ultimate truth and reality is a stretch. No real substantive or cerebral work goes into their pursuit to back up their presumptuous (though repetitive and often self evident truisms) talks and preachings. If at all any truth is arrived at through mystical means (meditation etc), then it cannot be communicated to others because it is bound to be highly subjective and subjective thoughts and realizations cannot be communicated unambiguously to others and generate the SAME subjective perceptions in them unless an objective language (symbolic/mathematical) is developed. No mystical studies have ever developed such objective language. Subjective perceptions or sensations may be stimulated in others through communication of rituals/regimens prescribed by some "mystic", but understanding or knowledge cannot. There is acrucial difference. Understanding inevitably involves knowing truth (Not personal perception of such). And truth requires an objective means for its expression and verification. And objective expression requires an objective language (Math Logic, Natural Laws, as expressed in terms of well defined concepts etc) to be unambiguously communicated. Mystics, New Age thinkers emphasize cognition through intuition. But the cognition that their non-inferential intuition results in cannot lead to the truth, at best a perception. Scientific intuition is infernetial, and is necessarily a prelude to en eventual expression of an objective truth, once the intuition is developed , refined and verified. Intuition, does play a crucial role in science. But unlike mystical intuition, scientific intuition does not end by a vague verbal assertion. A truth in the real sense must lend itself to a universal objective expression or an inferential derivation for it to be communicable and an objective criterion for its verification/ falsification. For, without a consensus reached through such communication the mystic's "truth" becomes a solipsistic concept devoid of any substantive value. No mystical studies have ever developed such objective expression of truth and its verification, and so cannot honestly claim to communicate the "TRUTH". On the other hand the hard sciences (Specially physics) do have the sophisticated objective language to not only communicate but to understand in a fundamental way subjective perceptions on such issues as mind, consciousness, life and reality in general. This is what has been and being done by scientists like Roger Penrose, Henry Stapp, David Deutsch, Paul Davies and others. None of these great yet humble physicists claim that Physics in its present form has solved the problem of explaining consciousness/mind/reality but that it may be explained fully in future by extending the present structure of physical laws through further discoveries and break throughs, if not within its present purview. The boundary between science and metaphysics philosophy is getting thinner each day. It is inconceivable that one could grasp the mystery of mind or consciousness without ever knowing the facts of Quantum coherence or collapse. ONCE AGAIN....get your facts straight.

The whole point Im trying to prove.... You dont have to be a scientist, theologian, mystic, shaman, or even a college graduate to produce good tattoos. In fact, I think you have came up with a great idea....LETS ALL ADVERTISE OUR SPECIAL ABILITIES. Soon the world of tattooing will be like comic books. Back to my original point.......mysticism shouldnt be advertised (in tattoos). Period. I mean somebody has to play the fool....Im sure there are Christian strip clubs...that have good looking strippers....and you can even find certain key elements in the Bible to produce a half witted arguement of why they are one in the same.... BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ARE NOT. At the end of the day....getting a good tattoo is part of proper planning, and good decision making. But however you want to pull out your artistic ability is up to you. The job of a tattoo artist is to be able to rely on this artistic ability more readily, and not require certain measures to bring it out. I dont have to get an intricate backpiece in order for it to be detailed, my girl can be getting a butterfly and it should hold just as much responsibility.Nor do you have to do a ritual of burning candles and beating on drums, just to pull artistic ability out. Also, if you tap into mysticism, symbolism, scientology, and universalism all from smoking crack.....that doesnt mean your right. The more you try to justify what your arguing, the deeper hole you dig not only for your argument but the original statement of why mysticism shouldnt be involved in tattoos. Also, your paragraph did contain *some* accurate historical information....but your missing the point.....things change. Are you celebrating Christmas this year? Or are you celebrating the Egyptians version of Sun Rebirth? Or are you celebrating the Persians temporary subversion of order? Or are you celebrating the Romans Saturnalia? Or are you celebrating Christmas with a tree and presents like most of us???? Do you have to possess the history concerning the aforementioned rituals in order to have your own ritual.....CERTIANLY NOT. Lighten up...your going nowhere with this.

It's cool....I didn't expect everyone to understand.

Whats to not understand?